How Kylo Ren tricked Snoke in The Last Jedi

Dec 4, 2019
how did Kylo Ren trick Snoke and kill him?

How Snoke, the Supreme Commander, was tricked & beaten by Darth Vader's grandson in The Last Jedi

The Snoke Throne Room scene with Kylo Ren and Rey is arguably the best thing about The Last Jedi, it's just fantastic.

It starts with a parallel to Return of the Jedi - Rey is there, having surrendered herself to Kylo Ren so that she can turn him to the light side of the Force. 

Or so she believes. 

Ren has let her come to him so he may in turn please Shrike. 

So it seems.

Snoke does some posturing with the Force and throws Rey about, does the same thing Palpatine does in Jedi by showing her that her friends are dying out the window in space and then he calls on Kylo to kill her.

And this is where it got interesting and the twist on ROTJ occurs

While he is urging on Kylo to kill Rey, Snoke misreads the intention of Kylo's mind. Due to his arrogance and hubris, he misread the enemy that Kylo was thinking of. 

Kylo wanted to kill Snoke and take the First Order for himself. He was not intending to kill Rey as Snoke presumed. Perhaps Snoke should not have insulted Kylo in front of his would-be lover eh?

So, Kylo slowly turned his saber and also Rey's at the same time. Rey's of course was conveniently at Snoke's side. 

And then the trap set, Kylo committed fully to his plan and ignited Rey's saber through Snoke's body and severed him in half. 

Kylo had wholly and totally tricked Snoke.

You could call it a severance package.

It was an incredible moment - it was so unexpected as one could reasonably have expected Snoke to survive until the third movie of the trilogy as he was the 'big bad guy' but in a ballsy move, scriptwriter and director Rian Johnson killed him off early.


And this led directly to one of the great Star Wars moments, Rey and Kylo teaming up to defeat Snoke's former Praetorian Guards. It sitting on the edge of your seat stuff and finally, Kylo had met an adversary worthy of him and it was a team up!

Rey and Kylo even swapped sabers at one point and the results were incredible. 

But back to Snoke. Some might ask, how Snoke could have been duped so easily? (Well as Luke's nephew it kind makes sense given how easy Yoda tricked Luke in the same film)

Think back to this moment in the throne room scene in Return of the Jedi and the repartee Luke and the Emperor shared where Luke challenges Darth Sidious with: "your over confidence is your weakness".

And what happens? The Emperor totally misjudged what was actually happening in that room and died for his troubles. 

The exact same thing happened to Snoke. 

As he pontificated how awesome he was that he had actually connected the minds of Rey and Kylo together, Kylo had his own 'Darth Vader Turns Against His Master Moment' and slaughtered him.

Kylo was seething with hate as a result of Snoke's bravado and took the chance to bite the hand that fed him...

It's movie magic by director Rian Johnson that will become the stuff of Star Wars lore that people will talk about for a long time as they quietly forget the many, many things wrong with the film. 


  1. I think Snoke intended for Kylo to kill him. In episode 6 Palpatine encourages Luke to use his anger to strike him down so that Luke's transformation to the darkside would be complete - Same here with Snoke and Kylo. Sensing Kylos turning from the dark Snoke arranged an emotional (angering) situation in which kylo must kill Rey (a person he has grown a connection with). Snoke then goes on about how he sees Kylos destiny clearly (or something to that effect). The audience takes this literally as he must kill Rey but really he was talking about his own death at the hands of Kylo. Pushing Kylo to the brink of anger (added with his comments earlier in the movie about Kylo not being good enough) He has foreseen the outcome - there is no way a sith as powerful as Snoke would be fooled by Kylo (also the lack of surprise on Snokes face when pierced by the lightsaber shows he saw it coming). Did Snokes trick work? Yes. After Rey and Kylo team up in an epic battle Rey offers Kylo to join her but clouded by a new found judgement Kylo is pushed more than ever towards the dark - a decision he would have not reached had he killed Rey.

    1. Glad someone else sees this. I thought it was obvious

  2. Interesting point of view. This was not a Sith relationship though and in the scheme of the movie, Snoke had achieved little so I'd be surprised if this was the case.

  3. I am utterly speechless at Dave McMaster's comment, "I think Snoke intended for Kylo to kill him", with supporting evidence such as "Palpatine encourages Luke to use his anger to strike him down so that Luke's transformation to the darkside".

    First, Palpatine was manipulating Luke into attacking him in anger, knowing full well that the deed of attacking in anger would get Luke to use the Dark Side of the Force, which Palpatine hoped would snowball into a full fledged transfornation to Sith Apprentice, once Luke had used the Dark Side to kill Vader. Palpatine never intended to DIE at Luke's hands, just like Smoke never intended to die at Kyle Ren's hands. What - do you think Palpatine and Snoke want to sacrifice themselves for the greater good of the Dark Side? It's an utterly ridiculous notion which needs no further proofs; but for the sake of being thorough, I will ask -if that were the case, why didn't Snoke let Kylo kill him at the beginning of the movie, during Ren's first visit to the throne room, when he actually does lash out against Snoke? No, Snoke defends himself and Force Lightning's Kylo on his back.


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